Get this down to $0 so your budget is viable!" Saving for the sake of saving seems useless to me. Those who pay this price can benefit from YNAB’s many features. How do I reckon that $1000 as emergency fund within my budget now that I'm in the middle of a month and not starting out? There are five Budget Account options to choose from: Tough decision? I'm new, and this thread has been extremely clarifying. The way I use YNAB, I'm never "spending" from my savings categories, and if there are no transactions then those funds are totally omitted from the reports. Now that I've learned the method, I don't think something that represents that information as it is on the budget page is contrary to the method, and could be helpful to see the current state of affairs. I get it now, thanks! Did you read the blog post I linked to earlier? But say I just want to spend $80 from my car repair savings category to get my oil changed and my tires rotated. How will it change your behavior in away that managing your budget does not? youneedabudget.com I have always wanted a pie chart of my current budget allocations and available. If you don't need those benefits, then you are absolutely correct that one only needs one account, because your categories sequester the money for you. With YNAB your savings doesn't depend on what account it is in. I have 3 checking accounts and 3 savings accounts. JoeDid Except that the dollars DO have a purpose. The electric company doesn't care whether their bill is 3% or 30% of my paycheck, but I have to be prepared to pay it. And it can be argued thatYNAB shines here because helping you budget is its stated mission and gets greater emphasis. Handling credit cards and debts with YNAB is … If I move $100 from the available balance of the rainy day fund to cover overspending elsewhere, then the Allocation chart for the month should continue to show 0, not -100. feeling proud that 40% of my income goes to savings goals, users want to see how much they're diverting to savings. Or do I budget $1000 for it this month and then it'll just stay there forever until I use it? Because I wasn't funded on my true expenses yet, I was unable to completely fund my categories to where I wanted them. Here's a little secret: Checking, Savings, and Cash all work exactly the same. Basically, you’ll start with the free 34-day trial to see if YNAB is the right budgeting app for you, and then you’ll pay a small monthly fee after that. A Budget Account is one that you will spend money from in the near future (usually within the next year or two). YNAB Features When you set up your YNAB account, you’ll be able to sync your accounts for automatic data import. Tracking (Asset or Liability) For example, if you have Euro Checking and Savings accounts, you would only need to create one difference account (Debit). Now, … You will still need to create the transfer transactions in your accounts so the account balances match reality. It costs what it costs, and lower priority demands on your money have to compete for the remainder of your income excluding that amount. You Don’t Need Tracking Accounts to Budget It's not bad - just the math that supports Rule #3. If I add up all the money in all my accounts, it has now gone down by $80, but it doesn't actually matter which account took that hit. Numbers Wizard (Accountant), Acoustic Artist (Musician) and Jill of all Trades (Wife & Mother). What you are missing is the clarity that can come with assigning a job to every liquid dollar (ie that's why IRAs and 401(k)s are recommended to be tracking accounts because they aren't liquid and easily accessible). I've always found this odd. Planet pie could be labeled something logical, and moon pie could be labeled "changes in priority" with a net budgeted shown. You'll get most of the features you need in budget software, like automatic categories, bank synchronization, and informative graphs. Sure for something like an HVAC replacement, you might need to make a transfer, because that's loads of money. Is there a way to "turn off" the savings balance in an on-budget account, so those $$ don't show as available? Ivory Stallion So how do you manage changing the different savings jobs when you need or want to? If you have a PayPal Credit Card, you would choose Credit Card. In a month where you don't spend anything from a Loss of Income/Medical category, there is no activity so the categories would not be represented in the chart. . Isn't the point of savings accounts to take that money out of your spending rotation and save it? I'll transfer the account to on-budget for now, but seriously: How do I assign a job to dollars that have no job? What circumstances allow you to draw on those funds? This is simply to help you see your total financial picture and calculate your “Net Worth”. Is it job loss? You probably have multiple accounts to track, and if you are married, you have various people spending and earning money. This is great if you have more than one savings account or credit card. I'll have to think about this more before I put in a feature request. If you use a credit card, it's important to select the Credit Card account type because of how these accounts work in your budget. . The desktop software and mobile app both do a great job of allowing you to track your streams of income. It gives a more far-sighted analysis and warns you before things go out of your hand. All savings is done by putting money in categories in the budget. Can I somehow set $1000 as the goal for that budget category and say that it has been filled? Tiller Money. You are probably already funding savings categories based on a target balance or a monthly contribution amount. What insight would you gain that might induce you to do something different than you do at present? dakinemaui Yes, that's why I was thinking of a graphical report on the budget page that simply showed the info in a spatially-represented manner. The amount of money in your categories is defined by your priorities for your money. Showing a negative value to illustrate a shortage seems intuitive. I couldn't understand why the inspector panel kept telling me I had a lot more $$ available to budget than I thought I did. Early on, I would find it useful to contrast my expressed priorities with my habits so that I can better align my budget to reflect reality or my habits to align them with my priorities. IF, when you go to pay any bill (for example, the credit card bill to pay for your new HVAC) you transfer cash from Savings to Checking, THEN spend it (and categorize the transaction accordingly) WHY is it so important that the Savings account be on-budget? It's just like moving a $5 bill from your left pocket to your right pocket... it doesn't matter what you plan to do with the money. Is it your loss of income pot? Ivory Stallion I kinda understand the want for a report like this, but at the same time I'm not sure I understand the need. Move Light Sound Life Exactly, dakinemaui , it is a graphical representation of the budget screen. But when all of the accounts are on budget, the transfers between accounts have no categories. One that would simply fill in nominal values and then not nag you after reallocation. I suppose the success of YNAB comes from being prepared for dollar amounts in specific jobs, not percentages of income in specific jobs. Empower. You don't. Today, I’m going to walk you through what these account types are for, and talk about why you might do better to just ignore them! And while we're at it, if you simply use PayPal as a faster way to checkout and send/receive money in your other accounts, you don't even need to add it at all! When I buy something with the cash I record it as a transaction/transfer. I'm going to keep my savings as a tracking account. I suppose all positive changes to budgeted values could go in the planet pie, and all negative changes could go in the moon pie. The budget chart is pretty straight-forward. What Rule 2 means is to break down your non-immediate expenses, the money you wouldn't necessarily keep in a checking account, and budget the money into categories. Looking forward to the value of this savings category, How do I make my savings account off budget..? I just moved that savings to a tracking account, so that misleading total available (in my case) is now correct, but I wonder why the advice given to someone else was to move the savings to on budget. Adding these accounts to your budget allows you to track their balance (we told you we were clever at naming things!). :). This happens naturally when reallocating (ala Rule 3). I think the report I've mentioned would help users get to a normalized budget. You Need a Budget, or YNAB, earns the top spot because of the company’s renowned budgeting philosophy and reputation. There should be a flag on the Category Group to classify the groups as Savings. An important distinction between the two budgeting apps is that Mint offers investment and credit score tracking, while YNAB does not. See screenshots for reference. With Rule 1 in the YNAB Method, you'll Give Every Dollar a Job. What I'm looking for incorporates both what you spent (activity) and what you saved (available in savings categories). Based on such a graph, you can take action to adjust budget entries. This app only takes a few minutes to get started and offers workshops and budgeting advice along the way to simplify the learning. However, it was and is recommended that you put your savings account in the budget group because the method teaches giving  dollars a job and PURPOSE. To state that another way, the Savings section of the chart should filter to only funds made available in the defined period. My version of the implementation would involve being able to classify a category group as "Savings" or "Internal". So, it remains valid that they can be on budget and not meant to be spent. This would create new transactions that I could classify between Vaults and categories. I am happy to report that, over a year later, my "normalized guesses" were actually pretty good averages in most cases. However, if you have a PayPal Credit account, you would choose Line of Credit. How will this report clarify things or bring guidance? That goes back to my analogy of moving a $5 bill from your left pocket to your right pocket. In my mind, the Savings "account" is designed to be a place where money is stored (not unlike an investment account). Now is all that money in my savings account? Ivory Stallion So, when I started, I had a certain idea of what my monthly expenses were. Giving up $720/year to simplify down to one account is not the right fit for me. I'm sorry to be so clueless about this and I appreciate you sticking with me. Especially if you reallocate before spending. Therefore, the YNAB approach is definitely better and more efficient than traditional budgeting. One caveat is that the number reported for available savings should always be positive. ; I live in a major urban area where a car is a liability, so I sold that 25 years ago; my health insurance covers every penny of my medical needs, for any meds and for any unexpected medical expense. It seems that most people don't read or think about where their statistics come from (as evidenced by the people concerned with AOM), so I want to make sure the ideas are cohesive and not misleading before I submit. Similar to my post on the old YNAB forum. PayPal accounts are a great example: if you have a PayPal account where you receive, store, and spend funds, choose Checking or Cash. Your explanation did it. You can connect bank accounts, set goals, contribute to savings and customize spending categories. I understand that in your mind, that's what a Savings account is for. It's possible that what I'm looking for would be better incorporated as a Toolkit Report. You Need A Budget - or YNAB for short - is personal finance software that allows users to manage their funds without needing access to months of historical data. That might be to pay my mortgage in 3 weeks or to pay for a new roof in 13 years. You just aren't separating the purpose from the location in your mind. It is your "emergency fund". It's not like the $20 in my wallet has "2pm Diet Coke Emergency" written on it in Sharpie even though it is likely that's where some of it will go. I'll be curious to hear what you think after 3-6-12 months. dakinemaui , you're right that the alignment happens over time, but as-is there is no report that graphically represents that trend. So rather than a Spending chart, it becomes a breakdown or allocation chart. It doesn't seem like you have much use of an emergency fund, so maybe you don't even need it. By the way, Buffer, Emergency Fund, and other rainy day funds ( as they used to be called ) are all examples of budgeting categories that you would assign dollars to that you didn't really spend out of frequently (hopefully!). As an off-budget account, I can assign a category; on budget I can't. This month I did not budget anything, but I still have 1K available from last month. What am I missing out by not having it be on budget? I'll have to think about the negative budgeting, though. YNAB defaults savings accounts to be "budget" rather than "tracking" accounts. I'd find it motivating to see the savings section of my report shrink because of overspending. I set them up in YNAB as two separate accounts: Bank’s Name Cash (tracking) and Bank’s Name Brokerage (investment). I think the desire is more prevalent in those who haven't quite embraced Rule 2 and achieved a fairly consistent budget. I really like your idea of having a chart for Budgeted and Available. That needs to happen regardless of whether the transfer has a category assigned or not. This category is where Mint and YNAB begin to differentiate themselves. We'll see if I change my mind. I finally realized it was including the savings balance. If I move $100 from the available balance of the rainy day fund to cover overspending elsewhere, then the Allocation chart for the month should continue to show 0, not -100. You have two different YNAB options for tracking your investments. I'll give it a try and see if it works for me. Follow YNAB to get support and lots of great ideas on budgeting, You will still need to create the transfer transactions in your accounts so the account balances match reality. With both services, you can create budgets, and track your expenses from the credit card and bank accou… I've done reasonably well managing our budget over the years. Because I'm not trying accounts to categories, I just pay it from checking. Move Light Sound Life dakinemaui Nerds! It promises to help you pay off debt, save more money and create a flexible budget that makes it … You’ll also want to enter your current account balance. In the basic version, transaction details have to be entered manually, while the automated … I mean the budget entries completely reflect your priorities and (eventual) outflow and timeline. Assuming the Forgotten Stuff category is flagged as a savings category, $80 would show on the report because  $80 is the amount available in savings. Nor I. YNAB, or You Need A Budget, is Canadian budgeting software that comes at a pretty steep fee of either $84 a year or $11 a month. As I see it, ALL categories are savings. I think the crux of this and other related threads is that users want to see how much they're diverting to savings. I agree; although, I don't think the idea is contrary to the YNAB methodology either since the Spending report already reflects your category groups are percentages. Overbudgeting should be added to the moon in both graphs, and labeled "fake money" with some directive about how to fix it. It took me a while to understand why savings should be on budget, but now that I get it, I switched them back on budget. When the automatic transfer from checking to an on-budget savings account occurs, when and how do I assign a category? © If you 100% didn't want to budget the amount in your savings account, you should leave it in tracking. None of the individual balances on any of my accounts equal any set of categories because the location of my money has absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of my money. The dollars in Budget Accounts are included in your budget (which you can tell from our super-clever naming scheme). Then assign those dollars to those categories. This may be true for other budgeting apps and not specific to YNAB. Is my understanding correct, or is there another way to view the breakdown I've described with the savings on-budget? An option let me just delete that one I could add that account as a tracking asset account. When you add an account in YNAB, you'll notice that there are two types of accounts to choose from: Budget Accounts and Tracking Accounts. I have never tied myself in knots over this: it's been easier than what has been described. It doesn't matter if the savings are for a new big purchase or if you don't intend to spend it, you should assign it a job. Also, my money is scattered across multiple banks for security reasons. Afterward, you transfer money from savings to your actual investment account, leaving the YNAB app out of it. And the budget doesn't care! In my mind, the Savings "account" is designed to be a place where money is stored (not unlike an investment account). You can name each account something easy for you to remember. If you have Yen Checking, Credit Card, and Asset accounts, on the other hand, you will need to create all … Essentially, this new report would be the same as the current spending totals charts except, it would insert a slice for Category groups flagged as Savings/Internal and instead of reporting on "spending" it would reflect available funds. dakinemaui Was just coming to say this, thanks, I’ll show myself out now. With two accounts, a Savings and Checking account, there is the added hassle of moving money from Savings to Checking. And then to actually spend it, you'll have to bring the money back into your budget when you transfer it to the checking account (another category) and then another category when you actually spend it. Yes, it's "label" is going to be "MyMove" but I do NOT want to see it in my budget app. Figure out what it's for. Wouldn't the actual minus the nominal have positives designating spending that went over the nominal budget, and negatives indicating less spending? Best practice is described above: budget savings, use savings accounts on budget, and separate categories from accounts. The -$100 needs to at least be shown somewhere (the moon pie, in my example) as a change in priority. I kept seeing all my savings account monies in the "to be budgeted." Early on, I would find it useful to contrast my expressed priorities with my habits so that I can better align my budget to reflect reality or align my habits with my priorities. EDIT: as for whether Rent (or Entertainment or Transportation or whatever) is X% of your income, what does that matter? I have 3 savings accounts on budget and each and every dollar has a job. Figure out what it's for. The major problem I have with a category rather than a transfer to an account is that I can't assign a category to a transfer. I’ve tried different … But it could go on my credit card if I happen to do a CVS run tomorrow at lunch. YNAB (You Need A Budget) ... You can manage your bank accounts, track your income and outgoings, set budgets and forecast your future financial position with ease. Note: You can also add non-budget accounts called “Tracking” accounts. Empower will float you up to $250 when you’re in a jam. YNAB Vs. Mint. Move Light Sound Life said, "Working towards a normalized budget will help you feel like you can confidently fund those categories sufficiently.". 5 You Need a Budget (YNAB) Alternatives - Best Wallet Hacks "That needs to happen regardless of whether the transfer has a category assigned or not.". YNAB also simplifies the process of tracking your spending by allowing you to connect the program directly to your bank and credit card accounts to download transactions. I do not budget from savings: only from checking. Fair point. This would of course be opposite of what Ivory Stallion is wanting it to show. It would be nice if there were a report that presented a pie chart of your budget and not only your spending. It's great that you've moved them to a less accessible place, but the dollars still need a job, even if that job is hopefully to never happen. 2021. While both services can be very helpful in the creation of budgets, they have slightly different approaches. nolesrule Thank you! Moving the money back and forth becomes a budgeting/categorizing/reporting nightmare. YNAB was perfect for fitting all the puzzle pieces together tightly to avoid waste and maximize priorities. Thanks JoeDid. It's important that they be set up as the correct account type, because their type will indicate how they behave in your budget. Sudden house repairs? :). YNAB puts you in control of your budget and encourages you to set spending and savings … CNBC Select can help you decide if it's right for you. 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